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#1 Denivire

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 04:32 AM

This question appears all over the place, and is a good one at that; "Is it so wrong for homosexuality to be?"

In this topic, state your stance on homosexuality, and even those who consider themselves bisexual. Please refrain from statements such as "all homosexuals should die" or mockery of this topic.

Now, Homosexuality is considered a sin for many religions, Christianity being one of them. It does state in the bible that those who are homosexuals should be stoned to death (I'm not joking, it says to take the discovered ones out into the streets, and stone them to death in public). The Gay Pride Parade is also coming up soon I believe. Those who consider themselves Homosexuals or Bisexuals state that they should have the right to marriage, and the right to take care of children, both of which have been given to them in some states and countries.

Now, personally, I think people should be fine being the way they are. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm okay with people openly admitting they are. Biologically, we were not designed for that kind of a relationship, and that to me is one reason I don't fully agree with it, but once again, I'm fine with people saying they are what they are, as it isn't right for a person to not be themselves.


I'm hoping I can get some mature answers in here, or at least something more than "It's wrong", and that I won't regret making such a topic.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 04:36 AM

I think it is not. Stopping two people from loving each other no matter what gender I believe is wrong. ;)

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 04:38 AM

I think it is not. Stopping two people from loving each other no matter what gender I believe is wrong. ;)

Agreed.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 04:39 AM

I don't homosexuality is wrong at all. For some people it's as natural as heterosexuality is natural to others. I do support gay marriage openly because I believe in freedom of expression. I consider marriage to be a form of expression. As in the ultimate expression of love.

As far as it being a sin....I think those religions declared it so because many high ranking members of their respective churches have or still are practicing homosexuality.

And they shouldn't be treated any differently for doing so.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 04:43 AM

I think like this.
If a man can't love a man, why should women be able to love men?


I support same-sex marriages and relationships.

I really don't understand why people think otherwise...


Why do so many people hate homosexuals?

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 04:44 AM

For the pretty much the same reasons we have racism in the world.

Homosexuals are different from them and that makes heterosexuals feel both scared and insecure about their own sexuality.

At least that's how I see it.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:13 AM

Or it could be a sexual standpoint, where biologically speaking, it is impossible for two individuals of the same sex to produce children, and therefore should not be an accepted form of life due to that.
For me, I think of it similar to that, just that I think it's okay for the two people to get together.
Marriage, I think religiously in a church should not take place, as it was designed for two people who love each other and want to bear children together. On the other hand, marriage, the legally binding method done for legal purposes such as shared materials and health plans through each others workplace, usually done in front of a judge, I think should be allowed. If the couple wish for it to be more like a traditional marriage, the constitution should allow for a judge to be able to legally bind two partners together in almost any setting, under almost any circumstances deemed reasonable. This way, both the religious fanatics and those wanting marriage can both be appeased.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:17 AM

I say it's not wrong. It's really unfortunate how some Christians (note: some) react about it too, as if someone is getting murdered. Love is love, buzz off.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:47 AM

Homosexuality is wrong because in the Bible it is said that it is a sin.

Here's the thing. There is supposedly studies saying homosexuality is biologically driven, if this is so then why do animals not act this way? Where in the animal kingdom does a male love a male? And I don't mean father to son. Here's the fact, homosexuals have a hard time resisting the urge towards the same sex. This is the ultimate question, why is it this way?

Here's my theory; because of the people that say it's okay. Here was a question I was challenged to answer, "Why would a person choose to be homosexual when there are so many people that would hate them and do terrible things?" Point A) Do people not gain hope but from only one individuall? They don't need a crowd behind them to believe what they believe, they only need one person at their side, that's all it takes.

I don't hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. I still care for the person. How is this possible you ask? My example; imagine yourself as a parent (not so hard for those that are) you have a teenager that is growing up and you love them very much. One day you find out that your child is taking drugs. Now do you hate your child? No, you still love them, but you hate the fact that they're doing drugs.

I'm sure I have another million and one points to make, and I'm sure there are another million and one questions that I don't have the answer too, because believe it or not I'm only 19 and just because I'm Christian I don't know the answer to everything.

Anyways have a great day.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 06:30 AM

Homosexuality is wrong because in the Bible it is said that it is a sin.

Here's the thing. There is supposedly studies saying homosexuality is biologically driven, if this is so then why do animals not act this way? Where in the animal kingdom does a male love a male? And I don't mean father to son. Here's the fact, homosexuals have a hard time resisting the urge towards the same sex. This is the ultimate question, why is it this way?

Here's my theory; because of the people that say it's okay. Here was a question I was challenged to answer, "Why would a person choose to be homosexual when there are so many people that would hate them and do terrible things?" Point A) Do people not gain hope but from only one individuall? They don't need a crowd behind them to believe what they believe, they only need one person at their side, that's all it takes.

I don't hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. I still care for the person. How is this possible you ask? My example; imagine yourself as a parent (not so hard for those that are) you have a teenager that is growing up and you love them very much. One day you find out that your child is taking drugs. Now do you hate your child? No, you still love them, but you hate the fact that they're doing drugs.

I'm sure I have another million and one points to make, and I'm sure there are another million and one questions that I don't have the answer too, because believe it or not I'm only 19 and just because I'm Christian I don't know the answer to everything.

Anyways have a great day.


You say animals can't be gay. Can they love like humans do? Can they think like humans do?

I'm 14. I've sacrificed my social functionality for my own personal happiness. I'll never have a significant other in high school. But I can't change it. I don't want to. I'm happy with who I am.

And if it adds any weight to it, I'm the_lurker. I couldn't stand by reading this thread without cutting in.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 06:57 AM

You say animals can't be gay. Can they love like humans do? Can they think like humans do?

I'm 14. I've sacrificed my social functionality for my own personal happiness. I'll never have a significant other in high school. But I can't change it. I don't want to. I'm happy with who I am.


No they can't, but that wasn't my point, my point was to disprove that it's not a biological thing.

And if it adds any weight to it, I'm the_lurker. I couldn't stand by reading this thread without cutting in.


Funny, that's how I felt when I read this thread.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 11:28 AM

And if it adds any weight to it, I'm the_lurker. I couldn't stand by reading this thread without cutting in.

Lurker!
Where have you been!?

Anyhow, gays.........
really, it is a sin according to the bible. But if they want to sin to love each other, let them be.

I don't really care if they end up in Hell.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 02:22 PM

Homosexuality is wrong because in the Bible it is said that it is a sin.

Here's the thing. There is supposedly studies saying homosexuality is biologically driven, if this is so then why do animals not act this way? Where in the animal kingdom does a male love a male? And I don't mean father to son. Here's the fact, homosexuals have a hard time resisting the urge towards the same sex. This is the ultimate question, why is it this way?

Here's my theory; because of the people that say it's okay. Here was a question I was challenged to answer, "Why would a person choose to be homosexual when there are so many people that would hate them and do terrible things?" Point A) Do people not gain hope but from only one individuall? They don't need a crowd behind them to believe what they believe, they only need one person at their side, that's all it takes.

I don't hate homosexuals, I hate homosexuality. I still care for the person. How is this possible you ask? My example; imagine yourself as a parent (not so hard for those that are) you have a teenager that is growing up and you love them very much. One day you find out that your child is taking drugs. Now do you hate your child? No, you still love them, but you hate the fact that they're doing drugs.

I'm sure I have another million and one points to make, and I'm sure there are another million and one questions that I don't have the answer too, because believe it or not I'm only 19 and just because I'm Christian I don't know the answer to everything.

Anyways have a great day.


Religiously, I think it's wrong. Not religiously, I don't really care, for (and this is a huge debate) some, it's not something they chose. Some! Not all.

As for animals, there's HUNDREDS of gay animals! Heck, male penguins in zoos start to mate, and adopt rocks as eggs! Many animals do this!

Check this out...



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Posted 14 August 2009 - 04:55 PM

To be honest, I don't think its wrong, but I don't think its right either. Its not right if someone acts like an absolute idiot and uses the excuse that it is a 'homosexual attitude'. I don't care what it says in the Bible. I don't care what any Religious authority says, I believe what I want to believe :|

To be honest, homosexuals can be homosexuals...but there are those ones that just... 'try too hard' :oops: The way they act and the tiny annoyances that come with their behaviour just annoy me. Sure they can be gay if they please, but I really don't get what is with the whole attitude that some of them have...you know, the floaty ones that wear all the ridiculous outfits :roll:

Its like they're trying 'too hard' to be homosexual, they just want to announce their homosexuality over and over to anyone they can...but I share an equal amount of respect for those who don't as I do for any other person. The ones who just want to get on with their lives without worry of discrimination

I don't really want to get into a discussion about it, I just thought I'd post my opinion :ugeek:

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:07 PM

Nope not really as in the sense...well yes but no....

Its right mentally.

Its wrong biologically.

I dont mind it to be honest. I still think of the use of "Gay" as an insult is pretty wrong. People can be whatever they want well...Mentally anyway.


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Posted 14 August 2009 - 06:54 PM

I have no problem with Homosexuality. I just dont think they should be able to get married. It should be between a man and a woman. Its been like that for centuries and should stay that way.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:04 PM


And if it adds any weight to it, I'm the_lurker. I couldn't stand by reading this thread without cutting in.

Lurker!
Where have you been!?

Anyhow, gays.........
really, it is a sin according to the bible. But if they want to sin to love each other, let them be.

I don't really care if they end up in Hell.


I've just been around. Thought I'd check out the new forum format. It's so much happier around here. But I was stunned by the ignorance in this thread. Being one of the "sinners" myself, I felt obliged to cut in.

By the way, Roy, you're never on Steam. We should play some PC games sometime.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:07 PM

Gays are bad and terribly disgusting.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:12 PM


And if it adds any weight to it, I'm the_lurker. I couldn't stand by reading this thread without cutting in.

Lurker!
Where have you been!?

Anyhow, gays.........
really, it is a sin according to the bible. But if they want to sin to love each other, let them be.

I don't really care if they end up in Hell.


I've just been around. Thought I'd check out the new forum format. It's so much happier around here. But I was stunned by the ignorance in this thread. Being one of the "sinners" myself, I felt obliged to cut in.

By the way, Roy, you're never on Steam. We should play some PC games sometime.

Yeah.....
I don't have any money to buy games.
So there's no point in having Steam if I can't play games.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:13 PM

Yeah.....
I don't have any money to buy games.
So there's no point in having Steam if I can't play games.


Oh, I see. I just saw that you've been offline for 100 days or so.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:14 PM

You know, you can add non steam games to your steam game list so that you can at least converse in-game.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:16 PM

You know, you can add non steam games to your steam game list so that you can at least converse in-game.


I did this until I got a computer that could run Source.

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 09:08 PM

i should preface this with the fact that everything below is my own personal views and have nothing to do with The Behemoth whatsoever. I have some strong views on the subject. here we go. incoming wall o' text.

Now, Homosexuality is considered a sin for many religions, Christianity being one of them. It does state in the bible that those who are homosexuals should be stoned to death (I'm not joking, it says to take the discovered ones out into the streets, and stone them to death in public).


It also says that you should stone your kids to death if they are disobedient. "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; ...... And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21"

and that you can sell your daughter into slavery: "Exodus 21:7-11 And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money."

oh, and have you been keeping up with your ritual animal sacrifices lately?

there are lots of things in the bible that modern society and modern religion do not condone. It seems to me to be very hypocritical that religions often quote the bit about homosexuality, but ignore everything else they find inconvenient or contradictory to modern lifestyles. you cant pick and choose. accept it all, or accept that some things have changed since biblical times.

Or it could be a sexual standpoint, where biologically speaking, it is impossible for two individuals of the same sex to produce children, and therefore should not be an accepted form of life due to that.

Marriage, I think religiously in a church should not take place, as it was designed for two people who love each other and want to bear children together.

does this mean if a woman is barren, or a heterosexual couple otherwise unable to produce children they should not be allowed to marry?

On the other hand, marriage, the legally binding method done for legal purposes such as shared materials and health plans through each others workplace, usually done in front of a judge, I think should be allowed. If the couple wish for it to be more like a traditional marriage, the constitution should allow for a judge to be able to legally bind two partners together in almost any setting, under almost any circumstances deemed reasonable. This way, both the religious fanatics and those wanting marriage can both be appeased.


Completely agree. At least in the USA we have this thing called the separation of church and state. that means, religion doesn't get to dictate law (though is so often still does). Just because one religion, one church or 10 churches don't agree with a thing, that doesn't mean that there aren't a number of other religious beliefs and churches that have different opinions on the matter. the beliefs of one group do not dictate the whole. that's what freedom is all about. In my opinion, gay marriage should be legalized, everywhere, and it should be up to individual churches to decide their standpoint on the matter. If a church does not agree, they don't have to allow marriages to be performed in that church. No one is trying to force ministers, rabbis or anyone else into performing marriages. I believe they have a right to refuse just as much as those that wish to perform these unions have a right to do so.

Homosexuality is wrong because in the Bible it is said that it is a sin.

Here's the thing. There is supposedly studies saying homosexuality is biologically driven, if this is so then why do animals not act this way? Where in the animal kingdom does a male love a male?



as someone i believe mentioned above. there are LOTS of gay animals. Here are some links:

http://en.wikipedia....sexual_behavior
http://www.livescien...ay-animals.html
and the famous gay penguin dads: http://latimesblogs....atch-chick.html

Here's the fact, homosexuals have a hard time resisting the urge towards the same sex. This is the ultimate question, why is it this way?

Here's my theory; because of the people that say it's okay. Here was a question I was challenged to answer, "Why would a person choose to be homosexual when there are so many people that would hate them and do terrible things?



You don't choose to be gay. here is some scientific stuff stolen from the Internets:

Scientific researchers specializing in human sexuality have shown that homosexuality is genetic.

Scientific research publications from October 2004 and June 2008 stated that scientists have found that women tend to have more children when they inherit the same genetic factors linked to homosexuality in men. This fertility boost more than compensates for the lack of offspring fathered by gay men, and keeps the “gay” genetic factors in circulation.

A 2005 study reported genetic scans showing a clustering of the same genetic pattern among gay men on three chromosomes - chromosomes 7, 8, and 10. The regions on chromosome 7 and 8 were associated with male sexual orientation regardless of whether the man got them from his mother or father. The regions on chromosome 10 were only associated with male sexual orientation if they were inherited from the mother.

A study from 2006 said that researchers have known for years that a man's likelihood of being gay rises with the number of older biological brothers, but the new study found that the so-called "fraternal birth order effect" persists even if gay men were raised away from their biological families & that "the research suggests that the development of sexual orientation is influenced before birth."
Source(s):
http://www.newscient...le.ns?id=dn6519
http://www.livescien...osexuality.html
http://www.webmd.com...-there-gay-gene
http://www.medpageto.../Pregnancy/3641
http://www.gfcbaltim.../GFC_Choice.htm


thats the fact, jack. as you say, why would someone choose a lifestyle where they will be repressed and have their rights taken away.

here's my thoughts:

Homosexual, Bisexual, Transgendered or Straight. You should be allowed to be who you are. without anyone telling you that you are wrong. and that you should have the same rights as anyone else.
It doesn't hurt anyone. arguments that gay marriage is bad for marriage as an institution are absurd. there is something like a 40% divorce rate with straight couples and a 2% rate for gay couples. If anything, allowing gay marriage would IMPROVE the institution 99.99% of the arguments against being gay are religious. and as previously stated, at least in the USA, no one has the right to dictate someone else's life based on your own religious beliefs. Just as you wouldn't want someone telling you that you aren't allowed to practice your beliefs, even if they conflict with yours, you should not try to control how others choose to live. Every person has the right to life (as they choose to live it), Liberty to live that life, and the Pursuit of Happiness, and if what makes you happy is the 20 year relationship with your loved one, why shouldn't you be able to marry that person, whoever they are, and be happy.

if you are against gay marriage, don't get one.

/rant

ps. how come people are never as bothered when girls are gay...? :lol:

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 09:13 PM

Wow, kelly, that's a lot to read...

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 09:15 PM

Leviticus 18-22 Thou shall not lie with a man, as with a women. To me, that just sound like no threesomes :S




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