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#1 zarlighttusk

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 09:27 PM

It is illegal to homeschool your children in Germany. Infact, you have to send your children to the government run school. What are your thoughts on the subject? Check out this topic for more details.

Personal, I feel this violates a parent's right to teach their children and decide what they want the child to learn. Parents should have the right to teach their children. Yes, some parents may abuse this. However, outlawing homeschooling isn't the answer. If they are completely necessary there should be loose guidelines parents have to follow.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 09:36 PM

I will answer rather quick now, if someone doesn't like the laws of a country they can move whenever they want (except for cuba), I am pretty sure that germans don't see homeschooling like a right, so they don't feel their right violated.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:01 AM

I see what you're saying basilisk. But I would also like to add that in hard economic times some people cannot leave where they are. And while the German people may not mind it I don't see how it is right.
Here's an interesting quote by Adolf Hitler: "He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future."

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 12:50 AM

I see what you're saying basilisk. But I would also like to add that in hard economic times some people cannot leave where they are. And while the German people may not mind it I don't see how it is right.
Here's an interesting quote by Adolf Hitler: "He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future."

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Just because Germans were elitist half a century ago you think they will raise people to be that way to0? If anything a father whose methods of teaching lack of the discipline teachers learn (and you know, given the fact that if i teach something to my son and no one gets in my way, his mind would be more rigid than steel, simply because he didn't hear any other points of view when he was groing up)

That said homeschooling is a way to own youth, while school isn't. Really, for example, a christian goes to school, his parents didn't want him to go because in school they teach this blasphemy called evolution and decide to homeschool the boy. This takes away the chance of the boy of having different thoughts and he just thinks what his parents think.

If people understood that humans have a mind, i mean, you for example know what evolution is about and just don't believe in it, is not that hard, is like me knowing about god and i decided to ignore that. Is not like people are just puppetsya know.

AND the only other reason i can think of not liking school is that is a pop cont

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 02:45 PM

I'm not suggesting that Nazism is coming back. I'm simply stating that it's incredibly easy to control a child's mind. Anyways, I'm going to ask you a simple question. Do you think any government should be able to force-ably take your child away from you and teach them whatever the government wants to? I'm not saying people shouldn't send their children to public school. I'm simply asking if you think the government should force parents to send their children there.

I'm really sorry if I come across harshly. I really need to be careful when discussing politics.

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 07:28 PM

I'm simply asking if you think the government should force parents to send their children there.

I disagree too, but as i have stated before, i am not german, so my opinion isn't important.

They must have reasons to do it. Reasons i ignore, if i knew the reasons then i could judge if it is fair or it isn't. Is like killing, sometime is wrong and some times is the only solution

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 12:30 AM

I'm simply asking if you think the government should force parents to send their children there.

I disagree too, but as i have stated before, i am not german, so my opinion isn't important.

They must have reasons to do it. Reasons i ignore, if i knew the reasons then i could judge if it is fair or it isn't. Is like killing, sometime is wrong and some times is the only solution

Then we shall agree to agree on some parts and disagree on other parts.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 02:28 AM

I'm simply asking if you think the government should force parents to send their children there.

I disagree too, but as i have stated before, i am not german, so my opinion isn't important.

They must have reasons to do it. Reasons i ignore, if i knew the reasons then i could judge if it is fair or it isn't. Is like killing, sometime is wrong and some times is the only solution

Then we shall agree to agree on some parts and disagree on other parts.

Almost.

Also, can you name 1 thing that a kid can learn in school that will wash their brain so deep that they will be slaves of the state?, and you always say that humans decide what to think and what to believe in, here you are saying they are doomed to think what they are told. Just think about it.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 02:48 AM

Also, can you name 1 thing that a kid can learn in school that will wash their brain so deep that they will be slaves of the state?, and you always say that humans decide what to think and what to believe in, here you are saying they are doomed to think what they are told. Just think about it.

Many kids compromise so they can "fit in". They can choose not to, however, not many will.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 03:00 AM

Also, can you name 1 thing that a kid can learn in school that will wash their brain so deep that they will be slaves of the state?, and you always say that humans decide what to think and what to believe in, here you are saying they are doomed to think what they are told. Just think about it.

Many kids compromise so they can "fit in". They can choose not to, however, not many will.

I admit that factors from this world play a part in how we develop but when it all comes down to it we make our own choices.

I know plenty of people who have lived through terrible lives and had everyone turn against them but are still kind compassionate people instead of serial killers.

So...

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 03:23 AM

So...

Many times that's not the right thing to do. My mom doesn't send my brother to public school 'cause he'd do whatever it took to "fit in". My mom doesn't want my brother to do "whatever it takes".

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 03:30 AM

So...

Many times that's not the right thing to do. My mom doesn't send my brother to public school 'cause he'd do whatever it took to "fit in". My mom doesn't want my brother to do "whatever it takes".

Wait, you think people will do anything to fit in, but in another thread you said christians believe so much in christ that they actually risk their life instead of denying their religion?

And it is sad to see you saying this kind of stuff, someone with so much faith in god can't have faith in humans, not even in his family. Sad.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 03:39 AM

And it is sad to see you saying this kind of stuff, someone with so much faith in god can't have faith in humans, not even in his family. Sad.

My brother is very young. He isn't strong enough in his faith to stand up for what's right. It's my parents' job to keep him safe. They're not going put their faith in something they know won't happen. All the faith in the world can't protect my brother if he isn't prepared.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 03:48 AM

And it is sad to see you saying this kind of stuff, someone with so much faith in god can't have faith in humans, not even in his family. Sad.

My brother is very young. He isn't strong enough in his faith to stand up for what's right. It's my parents' job to keep him safe. They're not going put their faith in something they know won't happen. All the faith in the world can't protect my brother if he isn't prepared.

Ok, i see your point, but i still think that is not a strong enough reason, and i don't think school would change him so much that your parents will be obsolete. But then again, i was never homeschooled and you should realize that you can't protect your brother forever, you should prepare him for the world instead of closing the gates of it. This is all my opinion, i have never seen someone being homeschooled here so i wouldn't know.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 03:50 AM

And it is sad to see you saying this kind of stuff, someone with so much faith in god can't have faith in humans, not even in his family. Sad.

My brother is very young. He isn't strong enough in his faith to stand up for what's right. It's my parents' job to keep him safe. They're not going put their faith in something they know won't happen. All the faith in the world can't protect my brother if he isn't prepared.

Ok, i see your point, but i still think that is not a strong enough reason, and i don't think school would change him so much that your parents will be obsolete. But then again, i was never homeschooled and you should realize that you can't protect your brother forever, you should prepare him for the world instead of closing the gates of it. This is all my opinion, i have never seen someone being homeschooled here so i wouldn't know.

He's experiencing the world. Slowly he gets more and more friends, goes to more and more things, he's just not being shoved right out into it.

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 03:17 PM

that law might be from post world war 2

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 04:47 PM

that law might be from post world war 2

You mean the Allies forced the Germans to make that law? If so, c'mon you Roosevelt! You should've stood up for Germany and fought Stalin!

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 05:16 AM

I will answer rather quick now, if someone doesn't like the laws of a country they can move whenever they want (except for cuba), I am pretty sure that germans don't see homeschooling like a right, so they don't feel their right violated.


you can move to cuba, if you have family there, or request special permissions from the government, also, we can't go to north Korea either ^__^


and you know why i think they don't allow homeschooling!? because they have such nude content on the television, the children get distracted more then they would in school!! **teheee.. I made a joke***

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 05:20 AM

I will answer rather quick now, if someone doesn't like the laws of a country they can move whenever they want (except for cuba), I am pretty sure that germans don't see homeschooling like a right, so they don't feel their right violated.


you can move to cuba, if you have family there, or request special permissions from the government, also, we can't go to north Korea either ^__^

I meant you can't move from them to another country, i know some cubans, cuba would be empty if they could leave brah.

As for north korea, i have no idea.

and you know why i think they don't allow homeschooling!? because they have such nude content on the television, the children get distracted more then they would in school!! **teheee.. I made a joke***

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 03:39 PM

Haha, you know that was funny! :P

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 03:57 AM

I think that if a parent wants to teach their kid they should be able to. This law will just bring uncertainty to children and their parents :P




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